Oh how rich, you must not have children of your own, because if you did, i would think anyone would have enough common sense, to leave the children out of it. Grow the f*ck up.
The Balkos don't give a damn about what happens to the children. the only thing they care about is what they can gain out of life through money. They love to destroy people and when they are done with them they move on. They thrive on peoples misery and that makes me sick. One day they will both crash and no one will be there to pick them up.
"More families with children are becoming homeless as they face mounting economic pressures, including mortgage foreclosures, according to a USA TODAY survey of a dozen of the largest cities in the nation.
In Hennepin County, including Minneapolis, 880 families were in shelters from January through August 2008, up from 698 in that period last year. At least 10% this year came from foreclosed properties where most had been renters, says Cathy ten Broeke, county coordinator to end homelessness."
Jon and Tom's little game has far reaching effects on more than just the immediate obvious victims.
How do they and their supportors possibly sleep at night?
I had intended to research some bible passages to counter "the Preacher" but, I decided to leave that idiot be. Instead, here are some quotes that apply to this blog. If one of them offends you, you can assume it was directed at you.
"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King, Jr
"A person is never happy except at the price of some ignorance." -Anatole France
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge." -Daniel J Boorstin
"Ignorance is not innocence but sin." -Robert Browning
"Gross ignorance: 144 times worse than ordinary ignorance." -Bennett Cerf
" have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him." -Galileo
"As in all moral panics, an accusation is enough to destroy a person's life. Hysteria trumps evidence." -Carol Tavris
"When one person makes an accusation, check to be sure he himself is not the guilty one. Sometimes it is those whose case is weak who make the most clamour." -Piers Anthony
For Tom, one of the reasons I look up to you:
"You can measure a man by the opposition it takes to discourage him." -Robert C. Savage
"In my life, I have prayed but one prayer: oh Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it." -Voltaire
"Real friendship is shown in times of trouble; prosperity is full of friends." -Euripides
"Victims suggest innocence. And innocence, by the inexorable logic that governs all relational terms, suggests guilt." -Susan Sontag
Colossians 3:13 Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.
Matthew 18:21-22 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
Luke 6:37 Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
Why must we forgive? The best reason to forgive is because Jesus commanded us to forgive. We learn from Scripture, if we don't forgive, neither will we be forgiven: Matthew 6:14-16 For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
We also forgive so that our prayers will not be hindered: Mark 11:25 And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins. (NIV) In summary and in closing, we forgive out of obedience to the Lord. It is a choice, a decision we make. However, as we do this "forgiving," we discover the command is in place for our own good, and we receive the reward of our forgiveness - freedom.
Not forgiving evaporates your joy. When you don’t forgive, it brings up a barrier to the joy God has for you. No one is ever truly happy if they have unforgiveness in their heart.
Not forgiving pollutes your soul. The Bible says, “Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening?” (James 3:11). If you have unforgiveness, the water in your soul will become bitter.
SIX More Things to Remember About Not Forgiving
1. Not forgiving will torture you. “‘Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you? And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him. So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses” (Matthew 18:33-35).
2. Not forgiving causes you to entertain thoughts of revenge. “Do not say, ‘I will do to him just as he has done to me; I will render to the man according to his work’” (Proverbs 24:29).
3. Not forgiving means you won’t be forgiven by God. “But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses” (Matthew 6:15).
4. Not forgiving delays the answers to your prayers. “Whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses” (Mark 11:25).
5. Not forgiving means you see the failures of others, but not your own. “Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye?” (Matthew 7:3-5).
6. Not forgiving means you are walking in darkness. “He who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes” (1 John 2:11).
LOL. The Preacher really gets to you! I for one have no intention of forgiving them. Give me one good reason why anyone should.
"Real friendship is shown in times of trouble; prosperity is full of friends."
You have to be kidding? Real friendship? Would love to hear your definition of this one. Does it include taking your friends prosperity?
Maybe Jon and Tom should forgive the men that are going to rape them in prison. But then again, why should they forgive if their souls are already polluted.
" Anonymous said... I thought that you were also suppose to apologize to people you have wronged?"
When exactly and where are the accused supposed to do that? On your timeline? When you say? Where you say?
Since there has been no sentencing hearing and thus, no impact statements submitted to be considered or dismissed, do you think that maybe just MAYBE, the lawyers involved instructed them to not issue any statements until after the sentencing? Think about it. Hard to believe that no one has said one thing about the lawyers. Afterall, they are the defenders that matter, right?
Whatever happened to that headline whore, Patrick Burns??? Did he find another ambulance to chase?
Hey T - Over on Topix, someone posted that the sentencing hearing is in November, is this just ANOTHER false date? I figured we should ask you, because you are supposedly in the know.
Victim T wrote: "Geeezzzz Watkins, you seem a little passoniate about JNS."
This is REAL interesting to me. It surely seems as though, the almighty JNS is up to something, possibly fraud, and Victim T has no response? Funny for a person that is so passionate about N MPLS, and crooks!
This just in.... The sale data for John Hoff's flip deal was found. 100% profit in less than 4 months. More to it and you can read about it here... http://dfwmentor.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/joh...
Come on T - What do you have to say about your friend?
Clearly the deal was legal since it was with the city. Furthermore, Jim, your blog speculated wildly and implied I could have sold the property for SIX FIGURES. Ridiculous. It was a measly little resale from $9,500 to $17,000. The city wanted the property and I was willing to give them what they wanted rather than stand in their way. It worked out well for everybody.
Somebody pleeeeease let me know when sentencing takes place. I can hardly wait to take pictures of Jim's friends going up to the courthouse and put their faces all over my freaking blog.
Oh, if anybody has photos of Thomas Balko, Jon Helgeson...feel free to send 'em to me at hoffx106@umn.edu. Everybody is going crazy to see what they look like, and I want to assist.
Oh Hoff, you are the only one that EVER mentioned about wanting to see what they look like. Freak! Just like when you wanted to see a picture of Watkins girlfriend. You are one sick pup! Also who gives a rats a*s about putting their pictures on your blog, Balko was already on TV.
So what are you saying Hoff, all city officals do things by the books, LEGALLY? Ya right. It is very apparent that Watkins is on to something, other wise Hoff would not be so upset. Keep digging, Watkins!
I hope you all will conisder popping on over the the other blogs because Jim is over there touting his tout and Tom, Jill, Jon and others are there as well defending themselves to the best of their ability. I think you would enjoy what they are saying about you Johnny Northside because what Jim is stating if it is not true is close to liable.
Johnny - Why don't you just stay on your blog. Can't you read? Victim T is NOT your friend, and this is her blog. Why do you always try to get people to go on yours? Is it because you are lonely over there? Please give us one good reason we should listen to a person that is doing shady deals himself?
Preacher, I feel more sorry for you, than i do for T & J. How do you know that they did not repent? Because they did not ask you for forgiveness? The GOD I know, is a forgiving one, sins can be forgiven, that is why JESUS died on the cross for us! If I were you, I would worry about yourself more, for standing in judgement. How sad is it, that you call yourself a preacher??
someone asked who Helgason's broker was...I know one was Brent Rice, formerly from Piper Jafray currently employed by Merrill Lynch, Wayzata. I know because he is my ex-husband and I was forced to quit claim deed to my husband (AT THE TIME) BY Hennepin County Family Court Referee Piper (no coincidence)when I refused to cooperate with what I feared was mortgage fraud...after I found out my ex husband with Jon and Tom's scheming...forged my signature on a $1.8 million dollar loan application. I reported this to the FBI, Minnesota Commerce Department,Attorney General and the FDIC in 2004. In my divorce all assets were awarded to my ex-husband: I received no spousal maintenance and he has fought for custody of our five children.I was a stay at home mother of five...I am homeless; Jill balko is living in my previous rented home. My ex-husband is till investing for Jon and Amy...please call with any suggestions. The family court findings say Ms.Rice makes allegations but provides no credible evidence for her allegations.I provided his admission of forgery, forged patriot act (signed by Jon Helgeson)bank statements etc were not considered credible. The court "professionals" called me financially imprudent for refusing to cooperate with this fraud...the FBI tells me I was smart to quit claim deed the property to him. Please call..(952)221-7412 with any suggestions or questions
I would provide your attorney with the new information regarding their guilty plea to mail fraud resulting from a mortgage scheme. This should help with your case.
Are you trying to prove that he stole the house out from under you.
I have never felt more sick in my life until I read some of the things that so many of you completly clueless and f***ed up people can say about somebody that you dont know. I know one of these two men and he is one of my hero's. How can someone be so heartless that they can honestly say things like this?
"If the apple does not fall far from the tree, I sure feel bad for tom and jons kids, They are doomed."
"Maybe Jon and Tom should forgive the men that are going to rape them in prison. But then again, why should they forgive if their souls are already polluted."
I would love if these people felt so strongly that they would put their names on their blogs so we could meet in person. Im sure that they would love to hear what I have to say.
I truely am not surprised how many hypicritical bastards spend all of there time on an immature blog that has completely bias information (none of which is creadible).
I hope that the people on this blog saying things so sick and disterbing can live with theirselfs. everything immoral that you wish upon others I hope comes back to make you suffer.
I really hope you realise not to say anything like this again.
If you think that taking these guys away from their family's and children will make you feel better you must really have an empty soul. I dont feal bad for people like you who go after revenge instead of seaking forgiveness.
Since when did felons not have to go to jail just because they have children?
They should have thought about that before they did what they did. Why is it VT's fault they are going to prison? Or any other victims for that matter.
To the last post, why don't you read this blog again. I did not read anywhere on this blog, where someone stated that they should not go to jail because they have children. What someone stated is: Will it make you feel better knowing that they will be taken away from their familys and children? And if the answer is YES, then we should feel sorry for you. Why dont you know what you are reading, before posting comments.
I don't think it has anything to do with "feelings". I personally do not know anyone who will "feel" better once they are in prison. Do you think Mr. Dixon makes these decisions lightly? Do you think he and the prosecuting team will "feel" better after sentencing.
Do you/they "feel" bad for all the families they have damaged?
Unfortunately, they need to be held accountable.
Criminals spend time in prison for punishment. It has nothing to do with "feelings".
A crime victim is anyone who suffers as a result of ruthless design by another person. A pickpocket, mugger, con artist or rapist can make you a victim. So can the person who breaks into your car. Each victimizes in a different way. The suffering that the victim experiences are generally the result of physical, financial and/or psychological loss.
People experience difficulties because their sense of safety, trust and security is also affected.
What are common reactions of crime victims?
If you have been a victim of or witness to a crime, there are certain responses that are common. You may re-experience the event in memories, or in dreams or nightmares. You may feel detached from others, and withdraw from activities in which you previously participated. Other responses include sleep disturbances, memory and concentration problems.
Sometimes the crime victim experiences him/herself as weak, helpless or frightened and a loss of control.
For a victim to experience the feelings of wanting the criminal to pay for what has happened is not revenge. Victims are very justified in their feelings.
When someone involved tries to make them feel guilty of this right and tell them they are the ones that are wrong for wanting justice, it is called re-victimization.
Victims have every right to feel better when the criminal receives their punishment.
I can appreciate how people close to the criminals do not want them to lose their freedom or be taken away from their families; this is also a very normal feeling.
But it does not give you the right to re-victimize these people who have a right to justice, not revenge.
Statements like that are just cruel. I think the person who said that the helgie/balkie camp w shows no empathy says it all. You are all just cold hearted selfish people who are mad these scumbags got caught and now have to pay the price.
Set up your own site. If you can't handle the truth that they are gulity and people despise them.
Here is the problem, some of us are still confused on how you were a victim? If you signed paper work, and invested you money or credit, and you lost it, again, how does that make you a victim. Please explain.
I think this has been explained time and time again. Read back through the threads. Several people have articulated this very well. It was FRAUD, I do not know how much clearer this can be? If it was a legitimate deal they would not be being prosecuted or plead gulity.
Maybe you should call Joe Dixon and tell him there are no victims. Maybe your arrogance and no remorse will result in more years for your boys, just like OJ.
Due to the trauma the victims are suffering, i think we should start a weekly support group, where we can all get together. The blog is not doing it for me anymore.
Luke 6:34-35 And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil.
1 Timothy 6:9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.
Typical criminals....turning to Jesus once caught.
Have they done ONE thing to assist the families that have been displaced from their homes due to their fraud rental properites?? I doubt it. Amy thinks that just because she goes to church she is a good person. The Helgason's are nothing but christian's praying for no one but themselves.
How are you so righteous when damning someone to burn in hell is the worst sin one can wish upon others? You act so innocent and moral. Well let me say one thing and that is that any person of integrity or moral's would forgive. Why would you assume that they arent fealing remorse for the mistakes that have been made. Only a person of your low standards would not feel remorse. Im sorry you feel that these people should "burn in hell" because you must have lost all of your faith. It makes me sick.
"How are you so righteous when damning someone to burn in hell is the worst sin one can wish upon others? You act so innocent and moral. Well let me say one thing and that is that any person of integrity or moral's would forgive. Why would you assume that they arent fealing remorse for the mistakes that have been made. Only a person of your low standards would not feel remorse. Im sorry you feel that these people should "burn in hell" because you must have lost all of your faith. It makes me sick."
I am glad that I make you sick, because Helgason and Balko make me vomit.
did you ever think that maybe if they had money left that they would assist to the best of their ability. also do you not realize that most likely none of this wouldnt have happened if the economy, housing, building, and housing retail hadent gone down the shit hole the last few years. Why would they make a plan that was doomed to fail like it did. It was obvioulsy caused by the economic recession that we are currently in. Its not only the "victims" of tj waconia fealing this recession, nor is it just the state or country but the whole world economy has gone down the drain. I just hope that we dont end up in another great depression.
"I am glad that I make you sick, because Helgason and Balko make me vomit."
Ok... Can you prove to us that they indeed, make you vomit? Can you show us this vomit you speak of? Really, you have a career waiting for you if you can vomit at the mere thought of someone.
The FBI does not go after a business just due to a recession. They were comitting fraud of all kinds to include scamming interim buyers.
Question. For those of you that have had to foreclose due to TJ Waconia are you now getting the property tax bills? If so, do you know if we need to pay them. I know for me I have still been paying the water and sewer bills, even though the properties are empty. I am trying to do the right thing, but the property taxes are very expensive.
"Question. For those of you that have had to foreclose due to TJ Waconia are you now getting the property tax bills? If so, do you know if we need to pay them. I know for me I have still been paying the water and sewer bills, even though the properties are empty. I am trying to do the right thing, but the property taxes are very expensive.
Any help or ideas?"
Yes. I suggest that you become familiar with the foreclosure process and have the title researched to determine who the actual current owner is. If the record lists someone or a business entity other than yourself, then don't pay another dime! How many properties are we talking about here? Are the properties you referenced directly tied to TJ Waconia or another organization?
foreclosure information: 9240 Peony La N, Maple Grove - Date of Sale: 12/4/2008 - Mortgagor(s): Jillane M Balko - Mortgagee: Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems, Inc. - Final Bid Amount: $292,200.00 - Redemption Expiration Date: 6/4/2009 - Law Firm/Attorney: Wilford & Geske
First of all, I am not a supporter, nor a Victim. Just someone that was directed to this site. When I read through this blog, I see so much hate, and childish behavior. One thing that I want to point out, is I would be careful about wishing bad upon someone, it always seems to come back on the person, that is wishing it. Call it Karma, or whatever you want, but it always seems to make it's way back to the one wishing it. Everyone, lets remember the true meaning of Christmas, a time for love and forgiveness. The only one the hate will eat alive, is yourself.
"First of all, I am not a supporter, nor a Victim. Just someone that was directed to this site. When I read through this blog, I see so much hate, and childish behavior. One thing that I want to point out, is I would be careful about wishing bad upon someone, it always seems to come back on the person, that is wishing it. Call it Karma, or whatever you want, but it always seems to make it's way back to the one wishing it. Everyone, lets remember the true meaning of Christmas, a time for love and forgiveness. The only one the hate will eat alive, is yourself."
Ditto! Let us all remember the spirit of Christmas and why we celebrate it!
"did you ever think that maybe if they had money left that they would assist to the best of their ability."
Are you kiddidng me? Is that why while we were stuck with the mortgage payments, association payments and water bills they were still collecting rent and not passing it on? They kept it for themselves!! We had to take legal action for the renters to start paying us instead of them. Did they tell you that little dirty secret??
"also do you not realize that most likely none of this wouldnt have happened if the economy, housing, building, and housing retail hadent gone down the shit hole the last few years. Why would they make a plan that was doomed to fail like it did. It was obvioulsy caused by the economic recession that we are currently in. Its not only the "victims" of tj waconia fealing this recession, nor is it just the state or country but the whole world economy has gone down the drain. I just hope that we dont end up in another great depression."
They and others like them are part of the reason the housing/mortgage market fell apart. Do you realize they are guilty..GUILTY of over appraising houses and getting fraudulent loans? Their business did NOT fall apart because of the economy. It fell apart because what they were doing was ILLEGAL!!
To this day we are paying property taxes and water/sewer bills even though we are trying to short sell the properties.
When people talk about forgive and forget....it is very hard when 3 years later we are still paying their bills every month.
Everyone knows your husband, went back to the trough MANY times to do his part in the deals. And "Deals" is plural. It is so obvious that you were not around then and not part of any of the properties Troy bought. If you had actually been there, you would realize that your husband was a vital player in the evils that you just described. Then again, most of us have no idea where or how you come to the realizations that you do.
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! Its a noble cause you are leading. lol
"Are you kiddidng me? Is that why while we were stuck with the mortgage payments, association payments and water bills they were still collecting rent and not passing it on? They kept it for themselves!! We had to take legal action for the renters to start paying us instead of them. Did they tell you that little dirty secret??" "Everyone knows your husband, went back to the trough MANY times to do his part in the deals. And "Deals" is plural."
Question: Did you or were you advised to deny any payments of rent? Did you renew Promissory Notes Repeatedly? I have been told that due to the above I have no recourse? Can you substantiate??
Vick-T wrote: "He hardly went back MANY times. There were two townhouses at the same time...that is it.
My husband would NEVER knowingly be involved in anything questionable. He just believed a friend who turned out to be dirty."
I do believe your BS claim that Troy was part of two townhouses on the same deal, has prompted me to go all out on you and your crusade. What do I mean? I decided to have title work pulled on over 200 former TJ properties. The title work will reveal exactly how many properties Vic-T2 was a part of.
Will that information have an impact on the overall outcome of the TJ saga? Who knows. BUT, it will have a direct impact on your credibility and the validity of your vindictive crusade. The good news for you is the fact that you are able to make false or misleading comments to the public and since you were not involved in the deals (you had not met your future husband at that point), you will be able to simply step out of the line of fire while your husband has to face it himself. The good part of it is that Troy has commented on this blog and screen shots have been taken to prove that. The term, "What goes around, comes around" is really gratifying when those involved are there to see it when it "Comes around."
Oh my, the cat is out of the bag now, isn't it, Victim T. Yep, just goes to show you, karma does make her way around. Oh but you will still claim your a victim, won't you? Is it just that the T is clueless to her husband deals, or that she likes the attention of being a victim? Anyone know?
"Oh my, the cat is out of the bag now, isn't it, Victim T. Yep, just goes to show you, karma does make her way around. Oh but you will still claim your a victim, won't you? Is it just that the T is clueless to her husband deals, or that she likes the attention of being a victim? Anyone know?"
106 comments:
Seriously - is this the best that you can do ?? I held you in much better standards?? Shame! You are reaching.
Who knows?
But, you can be sure that there is plenty of Jack Daniels in your dad's.
Yep, sure can see, the apple does not fall far from the tree.
If the apple does not fall far from the tree, I sure feel bad for tom and jons kids.
They are doomed.
Oh how rich, you must not have children of your own, because if you did, i would think anyone would have enough common sense, to leave the children out of it. Grow the f*ck up.
don't think they left other peoples children out of it while they plotted their scheme.
Blah, Blah, Blah.....
"Blah, Blah, Blah....."
That's right the only families that really matter are the Balkos and Helgasons?
What a hypocrite. Most of those other children have already severly suffered.
Blah, Blah, Blah!!!
The Balkos don't give a damn about what happens to the children. the only thing they care about is what they can gain out of life through money. They love to destroy people and when they are done with them they move on. They thrive on peoples misery and that makes me sick. One day they will both crash and no one will be there to pick them up.
By Wendy Koch, USA TODAY
"More families with children are becoming homeless as they face mounting economic pressures, including mortgage foreclosures, according to a USA TODAY survey of a dozen of the largest cities in the nation.
In Hennepin County, including Minneapolis, 880 families were in shelters from January through August 2008, up from 698 in that period last year. At least 10% this year came from foreclosed properties where most had been renters, says Cathy ten Broeke, county coordinator to end homelessness."
Jon and Tom's little game has far reaching effects on more than just the immediate obvious victims.
How do they and their supportors possibly sleep at night?
What supporters????? The only one I know about is Wadkins.
Maybe Jill and Amy can go to the homeless shelters and volunteer to help those families they have displaced from their greed.
Oh, I know it is North Minneapolis and those people deserved what happened to them.
CNN just reported - 851,000 homes were lost to forclosure so far this year, damn you - TJ Waconia.
For all the idiots, insert SARCASM to the last post.
Who said anything about 851K nationwide homes? J&T are responsible for a minimum of 140 rental foreclosures in Hennepin County.
Not that anyone could expect a Helgason/Balko supporter to sympathize with innocent people.
Maybe you should call Gayle and have a cold hearted bitch luncheon.
How is that for SARCASM.
"Anonymous said...
What supporters????? The only one I know about is Wadkins."
Well if I needed a supporter and had a choice of either a group of blogging extremists or Wadkins, I'd pick Wadkins.
ME TOO!
Well I would rather be a blogger (however this is not how I would define myself) than a....
Serial Liar
Sociopath
Thief
Crook
Scam Artist
Swindler
Fraudster
Criminal
Felon
That is going to prison :))))
Against God's will there are still believers of Jon,Amy,Tom & Jill. You should re-think your support before it is to late.
Job 11:11
Surely he recognizes deceitful men; and when he sees evil, does he not take note?
Psalm 101:4
Men of perverse heart shall be far from me; I will have nothing to do with evil.
The Preacher
I had intended to research some bible passages to counter "the Preacher" but, I decided to leave that idiot be. Instead, here are some quotes that apply to this blog. If one of them offends you, you can assume it was directed at you.
"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King, Jr
"A person is never happy except
at the price of some ignorance."
-Anatole France
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge."
-Daniel J Boorstin
"Ignorance is not innocence but sin."
-Robert Browning
"Gross ignorance:
144 times worse than ordinary ignorance."
-Bennett Cerf
" have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him."
-Galileo
"As in all moral panics, an accusation is enough to destroy a person's life. Hysteria trumps evidence."
-Carol Tavris
"When one person makes an accusation, check to be sure he himself is not the guilty one. Sometimes it is those whose case is weak who make the most clamour."
-Piers Anthony
For Tom, one of the reasons I look up to you:
"You can measure a man by the opposition it takes to discourage him."
-Robert C. Savage
"In my life, I have prayed but one prayer: oh Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it."
-Voltaire
"Real friendship is shown in times of trouble; prosperity is full of friends."
-Euripides
"Victims suggest innocence. And innocence, by the inexorable logic that governs all relational terms, suggests guilt."
-Susan Sontag
Preacher man - Everyone interrupts the bible different, you are truly wasting your time. Also what does the bible say about forgiveness?
Colossians 3:13
Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.
Matthew 18:21-22
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
Luke 6:37
Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
Why must we forgive?
The best reason to forgive is because Jesus commanded us to forgive. We learn from Scripture, if we don't forgive, neither will we be forgiven:
Matthew 6:14-16
For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
We also forgive so that our prayers will not be hindered:
Mark 11:25
And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins. (NIV)
In summary and in closing, we forgive out of obedience to the Lord. It is a choice, a decision we make. However, as we do this "forgiving," we discover the command is in place for our own good, and we receive the reward of our forgiveness - freedom.
Not forgiving evaporates your joy. When you don’t forgive, it brings up a barrier to the joy God has for you. No one is ever truly happy if they have unforgiveness in their heart.
Not forgiving pollutes your soul. The Bible says, “Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening?” (James 3:11). If you have unforgiveness, the water in your soul will become bitter.
SIX More Things to Remember About Not Forgiving
1. Not forgiving will torture you. “‘Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you? And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him. So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses” (Matthew 18:33-35).
2. Not forgiving causes you to entertain thoughts of revenge. “Do not say, ‘I will do to him just as he has done to me; I will render to the man according to his work’” (Proverbs 24:29).
3. Not forgiving means you won’t be forgiven by God. “But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses” (Matthew 6:15).
4. Not forgiving delays the answers to your prayers. “Whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses” (Mark 11:25).
5. Not forgiving means you see the failures of others, but not your own. “Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye?” (Matthew 7:3-5).
6. Not forgiving means you are walking in darkness. “He who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes” (1 John 2:11).
LOL. The Preacher really gets to you! I for one have no intention of forgiving them. Give me one good reason why anyone should.
"Real friendship is shown in times of trouble; prosperity is full of friends."
You have to be kidding? Real friendship? Would love to hear your definition of this one. Does it include taking your friends prosperity?
Maybe Jon and Tom should forgive the men that are going to rape them in prison. But then again, why should they forgive if their souls are already polluted.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
"Real friendship is shown in times of trouble; prosperity is full of friends."
"You have to be kidding? Real friendship? Would love to hear your definition of this one."
Why would I offer my definition of real friendship to someone who would take it for granted or not know what to do with it if they had it?
"Well if I needed a supporter and had a choice of either a group of blogging extremists or Wadkins, I'd pick Wadkins.
Anonymous said...
ME TOO!"
Thank you. I would guess that those two people know what the definition of Real Friendship is as well.
- Wadkins
Wrong cat, try again Terry!
Wrong cat, try again Terry!
Aren't you suppose to confess your sins first and then be forgiven?
Confessing sins is between you and God, not bloggers.
I thought that you were also suppose to apologize to people you have wronged?
" Anonymous said...
I thought that you were also suppose to apologize to people you have wronged?"
When exactly and where are the accused supposed to do that? On your timeline? When you say? Where you say?
Since there has been no sentencing hearing and thus, no impact statements submitted to be considered or dismissed, do you think that maybe just MAYBE, the lawyers involved instructed them to not issue any statements until after the sentencing?
Think about it.
Hard to believe that no one has said one thing about the lawyers. Afterall, they are the defenders that matter, right?
Whatever happened to that headline whore, Patrick Burns??? Did he find another ambulance to chase?
LOL!
In response to the person that posted 2 post ago, These people on here are to big of idiots to figure that out.
Hey T - Over on Topix, someone posted that the sentencing hearing is in November, is this just ANOTHER false date? I figured we should ask you, because you are supposedly in the know.
The last I heard it was sometime in December, but that according to their Probation Officer was not definite.
The only thing definite is that there will be a sentencing.
Hey T - Looks like your friend JNS is up to some fishy stuff, check out Topix. Hmmm, yep just another crook!
Victim T wrote:
"Geeezzzz Watkins, you seem a little passoniate about JNS."
This is REAL interesting to me. It surely seems as though, the almighty JNS is up to something, possibly fraud, and Victim T has no response? Funny for a person that is so passionate about N MPLS, and crooks!
This just in.... The sale data for John Hoff's flip deal was found. 100% profit in less than 4 months. More to it and you can read about it here...
http://dfwmentor.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/joh...
Come on T - What do you have to say about your friend?
He is not my friend, I have no idea who he is.
If he has done wrong as well, then he should also be investigated. But I have no interest in him.
Clearly the deal was legal since it was with the city. Furthermore, Jim, your blog speculated wildly and implied I could have sold the property for SIX FIGURES. Ridiculous. It was a measly little resale from $9,500 to $17,000. The city wanted the property and I was willing to give them what they wanted rather than stand in their way. It worked out well for everybody.
Somebody pleeeeease let me know when sentencing takes place. I can hardly wait to take pictures of Jim's friends going up to the courthouse and put their faces all over my freaking blog.
Oh, if anybody has photos of Thomas Balko, Jon Helgeson...feel free to send 'em to me at hoffx106@umn.edu. Everybody is going crazy to see what they look like, and I want to assist.
Everybody?
Who? This is the first I have heard of anyone wanting to see a picture.
Oh Hoff, you are the only one that EVER mentioned about wanting to see what they look like. Freak! Just like when you wanted to see a picture of Watkins girlfriend. You are one sick pup! Also who gives a rats a*s about putting their pictures on your blog, Balko was already on TV.
So what are you saying Hoff, all city officals do things by the books, LEGALLY? Ya right. It is very apparent that Watkins is on to something, other wise Hoff would not be so upset. Keep digging, Watkins!
I hope you all will conisder popping on over the the other blogs because Jim is over there touting his tout and Tom, Jill, Jon and others are there as well defending themselves to the best of their ability. I think you would enjoy what they are saying about you Johnny Northside because what Jim is stating if it is not true is close to liable.
http://www.topix.com/forum/state/mn/T33FF75DCE765SO13/p44#lastPost
It might help if you had this
How can you sue a person, when, what was posted, was public information????
Yep more money hungry people, I know, lets just SUE THEM!
Johnny - Why don't you just stay on your blog. Can't you read? Victim T is NOT your friend, and this is her blog. Why do you always try to get people to go on yours? Is it because you are lonely over there? Please give us one good reason we should listen to a person that is doing shady deals himself?
Victims,
Do not allow the dark side to make you feel at fault.
Luke 12:39
But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into.
Exodus 22:2
"If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed;"
The Preacher
Preacher - It is a Sunday morning, why are you not in church???????
Preacher is a hypocrite. He can talk the talk, but can't walk the walk!
More from the Johnny Northsides:
www.misadventuresofjohnnynorthside.
blogspot.com/2008/11/is-email-private-not-to-johnny.html
Ol Hoff being a bully again.
I can tell that Jim Watkins is posting on ALL the victim blogs. Why? Don't ya all wonder that?
Why can you post, but he can't? Why do you care, is even a better question. Sometimes, the truth hurts, deal with it.
Todays Sermon;
"Not to repent of a fault is to justify it".
This is why they do not acknowledge their horrible acts of greed. Their evil minds have justified what they have done to so many.
There will be much punishment in God's Kingdom.
The Preacher
Preacher, I feel more sorry for you, than i do for T & J. How do you know that they did not repent? Because they did not ask you for forgiveness? The GOD I know, is a forgiving one, sins can be forgiven, that is why JESUS died on the cross for us! If I were you, I would worry about yourself more, for standing in judgement. How sad is it, that you call yourself a preacher??
If you claim that they have repented to God, that must mean that they know what they did was evil and wrong.
Finally an admittance of guilt!
The question was (HOW DO YOU KNOW, THAT THEY DID NOT REPENT?) No one claimed they did or did not.
The question was (HOW DO YOU KNOW, THAT THEY DID NOT REPENT?) No one claimed they did or did not.
someone asked who Helgason's broker was...I know one was Brent Rice, formerly from Piper Jafray currently employed by Merrill Lynch, Wayzata. I know because he is my ex-husband and I was forced to quit claim deed to my husband (AT THE TIME) BY Hennepin County Family Court Referee Piper (no coincidence)when I refused to cooperate with what I feared was mortgage fraud...after I found out my ex husband with Jon and Tom's scheming...forged my signature on a $1.8 million dollar loan application. I reported this to the FBI, Minnesota Commerce Department,Attorney General and the FDIC in 2004. In my divorce all assets were awarded to my ex-husband: I received no spousal maintenance and he has fought for custody of our five children.I was a stay at home mother of five...I am homeless; Jill balko is living in my previous rented home. My ex-husband is till investing for Jon and Amy...please call with any suggestions. The family court findings say Ms.Rice makes allegations but provides no credible evidence for her allegations.I provided his admission of forgery, forged patriot act (signed by Jon Helgeson)bank statements etc were not considered credible. The court "professionals" called me financially imprudent for refusing to cooperate with this fraud...the FBI tells me I was smart to quit claim deed the property to him. Please call..(952)221-7412 with any suggestions or questions
Ms. Rice,
I would provide your attorney with the new information regarding their guilty plea to mail fraud resulting from a mortgage scheme. This should help with your case.
Are you trying to prove that he stole the house out from under you.
Retired Attorney.
Todays Sermon: Justice for victims rich or poor, the victims shall receive justice!
When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers.
Proverbs 21:14-16
Evil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the LORD understand it fully.
Proverbs 28:4-6
Amy, Jill and Jim the following messages are for you personally.
It is not good to be partial to the wicked or to deprive the innocent of justice.
Proverbs 18:4-6
The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern.
Proverbs 29:6-8
The Preacher
News flash Preacher, Amy and Jill have more important things to do in their lives, than to read a blog.
Like what, spend other people’s money?
They will feel public humiliation and pain soon enough. Regardless of whether they are reading this or not.
This little mess is coming to right to their world.
I have never felt more sick in my life until I read some of the things that so many of you completly clueless and f***ed up people can say about somebody that you dont know. I know one of these two men and he is one of my hero's. How can someone be so heartless that they can honestly say things like this?
"If the apple does not fall far from the tree, I sure feel bad for tom and jons kids,
They are doomed."
"Maybe Jon and Tom should forgive the men that are going to rape them in prison. But then again, why should they forgive if their souls are already polluted."
I would love if these people felt so strongly that they would put their names on their blogs so we could meet in person. Im sure that they would love to hear what I have to say.
I truely am not surprised how many hypicritical bastards spend all of there time on an immature blog that has completely bias information (none of which is creadible).
I hope that the people on this blog saying things so sick and disterbing can live with theirselfs. everything immoral that you wish upon others I hope comes back to make you suffer.
I really hope you realise not to say anything like this again.
Victim T.
If you think that taking these guys away from their family's and children will make you feel better you must really have an empty soul. I dont feal bad for people like you who go after revenge instead of seaking forgiveness.
AGREE, Last poster, you nailed it on the head!
Since when did felons not have to go to jail just because they have children?
They should have thought about that before they did what they did. Why is it VT's fault they are going to prison? Or any other victims for that matter.
To the last post, why don't you read this blog again. I did not read anywhere on this blog, where someone stated that they should not go to jail because they have children.
What someone stated is: Will it make you feel better knowing that they will be taken away from their familys and children? And if the answer is YES, then we should feel sorry for you.
Why dont you know what you are reading, before posting comments.
I don't think it has anything to do with "feelings". I personally do not know anyone who will "feel" better once they are in prison. Do you think Mr. Dixon makes these decisions lightly? Do you think he and the prosecuting team will "feel" better after sentencing.
Do you/they "feel" bad for all the families they have damaged?
Unfortunately, they need to be held accountable.
Criminals spend time in prison for punishment. It has nothing to do with "feelings".
I don't feel bad for anyone that is seeking revenge, either!
A crime victim is anyone who suffers as a result of ruthless design by another person. A pickpocket, mugger, con artist or rapist can make you a victim. So can the person who breaks into your car. Each victimizes in a different way. The suffering that the victim experiences are generally the result of physical, financial and/or psychological loss.
People experience difficulties because their sense of safety, trust and security is also affected.
What are common reactions of crime victims?
If you have been a victim of or witness to a crime, there are certain responses that are common. You may re-experience the event in memories, or in dreams or nightmares. You may feel detached from others, and withdraw from activities in which you previously participated. Other responses include sleep disturbances, memory and concentration problems.
Sometimes the crime victim experiences him/herself as weak, helpless or frightened and a loss of control.
For a victim to experience the feelings of wanting the criminal to pay for what has happened is not revenge. Victims are very justified in their feelings.
When someone involved tries to make them feel guilty of this right and tell them they are the ones that are wrong for wanting justice, it is called re-victimization.
Victims have every right to feel better when the criminal receives their punishment.
I can appreciate how people close to the criminals do not want them to lose their freedom or be taken away from their families; this is also a very normal feeling.
But it does not give you the right to re-victimize these people who have a right to justice, not revenge.
Yours and others lack of empathy is very telling.
Get some psychological help if you are experiencing all of this!
And you wonder why the victims are angry?
Statements like that are just cruel. I think the person who said that the helgie/balkie camp w shows no empathy says it all. You are all just cold hearted selfish people who are mad these scumbags got caught and now have to pay the price.
Set up your own site. If you can't handle the truth that they are gulity and people despise them.
Blah, Blah, Blah!
Here is the problem, some of us are still confused on how you were a victim? If you signed paper work, and invested you money or credit, and you lost it, again, how does that make you a victim. Please explain.
I think this has been explained time and time again. Read back through the threads. Several people have articulated this very well. It was FRAUD, I do not know how much clearer this can be? If it was a legitimate deal they would not be being prosecuted or plead gulity.
Maybe you should call Joe Dixon and tell him there are no victims. Maybe your arrogance and no remorse will result in more years for your boys, just like OJ.
Due to the trauma the victims are suffering, i think we should start a weekly support group, where we can all get together. The blog is not doing it for me anymore.
Luke 6:34-35
And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil.
1 Timothy 6:9
But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.
Jeremiah 31:34 "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."
As soon as they acknowlege their sins.
Typical criminals....turning to Jesus once caught.
Have they done ONE thing to assist the families that have been displaced from their homes due to their fraud rental properites?? I doubt it. Amy thinks that just because she goes to church she is a good person. The Helgason's are nothing but christian's praying for no one but themselves.
BURN IN HELL.
To the blogger above.
How are you so righteous when damning someone to burn in hell is the worst sin one can wish upon others? You act so innocent and moral. Well let me say one thing and that is that any person of integrity or moral's would forgive. Why would you assume that they arent fealing remorse for the mistakes that have been made. Only a person of your low standards would not feel remorse. Im sorry you feel that these people should "burn in hell" because you must have lost all of your faith. It makes me sick.
Maybe you should answer the question. Have they done anything to assist the poor that they are responsible for displacing?
Or are they do busy trying to save their own assets and souls?
"How are you so righteous when damning someone to burn in hell is the worst sin one can wish upon others? You act so innocent and moral. Well let me say one thing and that is that any person of integrity or moral's would forgive. Why would you assume that they arent fealing remorse for the mistakes that have been made. Only a person of your low standards would not feel remorse. Im sorry you feel that these people should "burn in hell" because you must have lost all of your faith. It makes me sick."
I am glad that I make you sick, because Helgason and Balko make me vomit.
Oh then go puke, you PUKE!
did you ever think that maybe if they had money left that they would assist to the best of their ability. also do you not realize that most likely none of this wouldnt have happened if the economy, housing, building, and housing retail hadent gone down the shit hole the last few years. Why would they make a plan that was doomed to fail like it did. It was obvioulsy caused by the economic recession that we are currently in. Its not only the "victims" of tj waconia fealing this recession, nor is it just the state or country but the whole world economy has gone down the drain. I just hope that we dont end up in another great depression.
"I am glad that I make you sick, because Helgason and Balko make me vomit."
Ok... Can you prove to us that they indeed, make you vomit? Can you show us this vomit you speak of? Really, you have a career waiting for you if you can vomit at the mere thought of someone.
The FBI does not go after a business just due to a recession. They were comitting fraud of all kinds to include scamming interim buyers.
Question. For those of you that have had to foreclose due to TJ Waconia are you now getting the property tax bills? If so, do you know if we need to pay them. I know for me I have still been paying the water and sewer bills, even though the properties are empty. I am trying to do the right thing, but the property taxes are very expensive.
Any help or ideas?
"Question. For those of you that have had to foreclose due to TJ Waconia are you now getting the property tax bills? If so, do you know if we need to pay them. I know for me I have still been paying the water and sewer bills, even though the properties are empty. I am trying to do the right thing, but the property taxes are very expensive.
Any help or ideas?"
Yes. I suggest that you become familiar with the foreclosure process and have the title researched to determine who the actual current owner is. If the record lists someone or a business entity other than yourself, then don't pay another dime!
How many properties are we talking about here?
Are the properties you referenced directly tied to TJ Waconia or another organization?
OMG, you have to be about 10 years old, "They make me vomit" - grow up.
I was unaware that you had to be 10 years old to be make physically sick by evil.
foreclosure information: 9240 Peony La N, Maple Grove - Date of Sale: 12/4/2008 - Mortgagor(s): Jillane M Balko - Mortgagee: Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems, Inc. - Final Bid Amount: $292,200.00 - Redemption Expiration Date: 6/4/2009 - Law Firm/Attorney: Wilford & Geske
First of all, I am not a supporter, nor a Victim. Just someone that was directed to this site. When I read through this blog, I see so much hate, and childish behavior. One thing that I want to point out, is I would be careful about wishing bad upon someone, it always seems to come back on the person, that is wishing it. Call it Karma, or whatever you want, but it always seems to make it's way back to the one wishing it.
Everyone, lets remember the true meaning of Christmas, a time for love and forgiveness. The only one the hate will eat alive, is yourself.
"First of all, I am not a supporter, nor a Victim. Just someone that was directed to this site. When I read through this blog, I see so much hate, and childish behavior. One thing that I want to point out, is I would be careful about wishing bad upon someone, it always seems to come back on the person, that is wishing it. Call it Karma, or whatever you want, but it always seems to make it's way back to the one wishing it.
Everyone, lets remember the true meaning of Christmas, a time for love and forgiveness. The only one the hate will eat alive, is yourself."
Ditto! Let us all remember the spirit of Christmas and why we celebrate it!
forget the holidays lets bury these assholes!
Good luck with burying them Terry. Only someone as evil as you, would make a comment like that.
The only ones that are evil are Helgason and Balko.
"did you ever think that maybe if they had money left that they would assist to the best of their ability."
Are you kiddidng me? Is that why while we were stuck with the mortgage payments, association payments and water bills they were still collecting rent and not passing it on? They kept it for themselves!! We had to take legal action for the renters to start paying us instead of them.
Did they tell you that little dirty secret??
"also do you not realize that most likely none of this wouldnt have happened if the economy, housing, building, and housing retail hadent gone down the shit hole the last few years. Why would they make a plan that was doomed to fail like it did. It was obvioulsy caused by the economic recession that we are currently in. Its not only the "victims" of tj waconia fealing this recession, nor is it just the state or country but the whole world economy has gone down the drain. I just hope that we dont end up in another great depression."
They and others like them are part of the reason the housing/mortgage market fell apart. Do you realize they are guilty..GUILTY of over appraising houses and getting fraudulent loans? Their business did NOT fall apart because of the economy. It fell apart because what they were doing was ILLEGAL!!
To this day we are paying property taxes and water/sewer bills even though we are trying to short sell the properties.
When people talk about forgive and forget....it is very hard when 3 years later we are still paying their bills every month.
Whatever T.... God, STFU already.
Everyone knows your husband, went back to the trough MANY times to do his part in the deals. And "Deals" is plural.
It is so obvious that you were not around then and not part of any of the properties Troy bought. If you had actually been there, you would realize that your husband was a vital player in the evils that you just described.
Then again, most of us have no idea where or how you come to the realizations that you do.
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
Its a noble cause you are leading. lol
He hardly went back MANY times. There were two townhouses at the same time...that is it.
My husband would NEVER knowingly be involved in anything questionable. He just believed a friend who turned out to be dirty.
As far as the "realizations" I come to. The legal system sure seems to have come to the same "realizations".
Are you going to reply why they kept the rent for themselves?
Fight we will.
"Are you kiddidng me? Is that why while we were stuck with the mortgage payments, association payments and water bills they were still collecting rent and not passing it on? They kept it for themselves!! We had to take legal action for the renters to start paying us instead of them.
Did they tell you that little dirty secret??"
"Everyone knows your husband, went back to the trough MANY times to do his part in the deals. And "Deals" is plural."
Question: Did you or were you advised to deny any payments of rent? Did you renew Promissory Notes Repeatedly? I have been told that due to the above I have no recourse? Can you substantiate??
Vick-T wrote:
"He hardly went back MANY times. There were two townhouses at the same time...that is it.
My husband would NEVER knowingly be involved in anything questionable. He just believed a friend who turned out to be dirty."
I do believe your BS claim that Troy was part of two townhouses on the same deal, has prompted me to go all out on you and your crusade.
What do I mean?
I decided to have title work pulled on over 200 former TJ properties. The title work will reveal exactly how many properties Vic-T2 was a part of.
Will that information have an impact on the overall outcome of the TJ saga? Who knows.
BUT, it will have a direct impact on your credibility and the validity of your vindictive crusade.
The good news for you is the fact that you are able to make false or misleading comments to the public and since you were not involved in the deals (you had not met your future husband at that point), you will be able to simply step out of the line of fire while your husband has to face it himself.
The good part of it is that Troy has commented on this blog and screen shots have been taken to prove that.
The term, "What goes around, comes around" is really gratifying when those involved are there to see it when it "Comes around."
Of course, we all know you will be there as well.
Oh my, the cat is out of the bag now, isn't it, Victim T. Yep, just goes to show you, karma does make her way around. Oh but you will still claim your a victim, won't you? Is it just that the T is clueless to her husband deals, or that she likes the attention of being a victim? Anyone know?
Search Away! LOL!!
"Oh my, the cat is out of the bag now, isn't it, Victim T. Yep, just goes to show you, karma does make her way around. Oh but you will still claim your a victim, won't you? Is it just that the T is clueless to her husband deals, or that she likes the attention of being a victim? Anyone know?"
How is the search going?? LOL
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